I have bought a second hand silverstone ml09b case which hosts Sfx PSU, Hw is made up an asrock j4105 mb, 2 ssd and a slim sata drive. How can I understand which Meanwell psu fits my purpose? I mean if 100W or 150W or more.
With such hardware, PSU requirements are quite low. This is what I found: My Mini-ITX computer with J4105 CPU, 8 GB RAM and 3 SSD (data 1 TB + 2 TB and system 16 GB on USB3) draws a power of almost 6 watts in idle and 12 watts when booting the computer. (source: https://forum.openmediavault.org/in...t-can-come-close-to-arm-for-power-efficiency/)
But since you already have chosen a case that is compatible with an SFX PSU, I would just go with that kind of PSU form factor.
What is your aim at going 12V?
With such hardware, PSU requirements are quite low. This is what I found: My Mini-ITX computer with J4105 CPU, 8 GB RAM and 3 SSD (data 1 TB + 2 TB and system 16 GB on USB3) draws a power of almost 6 watts in idle and 12 watts when booting the computer. (source: https://forum.openmediavault.org/in...t-can-come-close-to-arm-for-power-efficiency/)
But since you already have chosen a case that is compatible with an SFX PSU, I would just go with that kind of PSU form factor.
What is your aim at going 12V?
Thank you for your feedback, idea is to have a totally silent pc . So I would avoid any sfx psu with a fan (fanless are more expensive than pico + Meanwell 12v).
I run a test with a smart plug checking power consumption. I had 13W during startup and 8w during usage but let me share that i was using a temporary solution with a LC power case (75W power brick) and a single ssd.
anyway even with a “full configured” (2ssd and sata dvd drive) I should not have issue in using a Meanwell 100/120watt.
I am considering a rps-120-12 or Lrs-100-150-12.
Former is smaller and it has less ripple, latter is bigger but less expensive.
i need to check how much space i will have on the case once I have mounted both ssd on the drive support, but i would go with rps
I read about lsp (and alao uhp) in a guide on a website (I think author is member of this community) but then i preferred to go with rsp as it is smaller (10*6*4 cm) and to be honest I am not sure to keep using the silverstone case as It is quite big. I am having a look at Itel Spirit case but I need to understand how I can install 2 ssd + 1 odd. Anyway, I received rps yesterday, together with the rest of BoM reported in the guide at the beginning of this thread.
I saw some example from digikey and other site, they looks similar to meanwell .
Which is the build in the picture? Case and pico psu looks nice and well Made
I saw some example from digikey and other site, they looks similar to meanwell .
Which is the build in the picture? Case and pico psu looks nice and well Made
I kinda like special/unique hardware, so I decided to put a full MoDT (Mobile on DeskTop) build together, featuring the Erying 13500H DDR5 Motherboard and a RTX A2000 8GB (Mobile) from TaoBao other parts used: LzMod RLY-V2 Case G-Unique 12V DC Direct Plug (Satan Edition) MORNSUN LOF225 12V...
Got myself an Meanwell PSU. I intend to use it for a pure 12V build. The PSU will be wired to a PICO plug-in 24pin, a pcie 6-pin, and a CPU 4-pin. My goal is to reduce the footprint of the PSU, as well as have less cable involved. I intend the reduce the 6 18awg wires of the 6 pin into 2 16awg wires to have fewer wires. It doesn't really make sense that we still have 24pin standard when most of the regulation is done on the motherboard anyways. Here are some pics. I hope we see some more pure 12V builds in the future.
It is about 130mm x 75mm x 45 mm.
I'm waiting on the rest of my connectors before I start hooking it up.
Hello. With the recent announcement of G-Unqiue’s entry into the PICO Plug-in Type (which I will now refer to as Plug-in DC Board or PDCB for short), I have decided to revamp this thread into a general guide to Meanwell PSU. As I learn more and build into it, I will add information and update this guide as necessary so that more people can enjoy creating a 12V build.
Note* This guide is centered on the EPP 300. It has slight differences between that and the EPP100/200/400.
I. The benefits of a 12V build.
From left to right:
1. Meanwell 4x2, 200W solution; 0.20L
2. Meanwell 5x3, 400W solution; 0.37L
3. HDPlex 160W Solution, including DC-DC board in front; 0.37L Total
4. HDPlex 300W Solution, Including DC-DC Board in front; 0.55L Total
5. Flex ATX; 0.74L
6. SFX; 0.79L
*Keep in mind, non-PDCB require either custom or large bundles of wires!*
I am a huge proponent of 12V build. As SFF enthusiasts we are always looking for ways to downsize. However we must balance compatibility, efficiency, and heat. 12V is 12V. ATX systems uses 12V as the main power delivery voltage and is the main power draw of the system. It is the voltage we need the most amperage for.
However I see a lot of builds going for 16-24V wide-range inputs instead. It is up to the AC-DC PSU to create the DC power that the system will use and by using 16-24V you now must regulate the voltage again at high amperage. This is pointless and inefficient. The only benefit to using a 16-24V AC-DC PSU is that you can have a smaller internal-external barrel connector. For builders who use internal PSU, they should build with 12V in mind.
The ATX system itself is outdated, and has a lot of legacy support. At one point, motherboards were using 5V instead of the 12V as the primary voltage. However this has since changed and all modern motherboards now use 12V primarily. Yet we still have 24 pins for the motherboard. Many OEM builders have moved onto 10 pin set up to reduce components and save space.
The Plugin DC Board (PDCB) reduces cumbersome 24 wires (sometimes more depending on the PSU) to a manageable 2. A good quality 16AWG wire can carry 22 amps, that is 12*22=264W of power. Even with headroom, we can easily reduce the motherboard wires to just two.
The PDCB requires no footprint on the chassis. It plugs straight into the 24pin plug on the motherboard. Its height is not much higher than standard RAM kits. It can further output CPU 4pin and SATA power. This further reduces the amount of wires emanating from the PSU. Given a higher-specced PDCB, such as G-unique’s line of Plug&Play, it can also output 6/8pin PCIe as well. Since most 24pin plugs are fairly close to the GPU, this is also another great reduce of wires.
In conclusion, PDCB is more efficient due to requiring less voltage regulation. It is also smaller since it occupies no footprint – just the space above the 24pin motherboard plug.
II. Electrical Safety.
You are working with an open chassis that will require you to wire and possibly test unclosed.
1. Check the wire diagram once, twice, and thrice. Check all your connectors (there isn’t a whole lot so don’t be lazy) before you power on. A wrong wire will cause some frying to occur.
2. Do not touch anything when it is powered. Even the heatsinks have potential to shock you. If you are checking measurements with a multimeter, try to use the protective cap to reduce the chance of shorting.
3. Keep the test area clear of objects. Do not stand on water.
4. Use at your own risk. I prefer to test it out on my sacrifice motherboard, an AM1 + AMD Kabini.
III. Why choose Meanwell
Meanwell is easy to source, is viable, and is of reputable quality. This guide covers their EPP-line. Their specs to consider:
· 120mV pk-pk max ripple, within ATX specs
· PFC function
· ~92% efficiency
· Rated for natural convection and forced convection
· Comes in two form factors, 102mm x 51mm and 127mm x 76mm (4x2 in and 5x3 in), both take up 40mm of vertical space.
· Single 12V output using and M3 Screw Terminal
The following are recommended PSU, prices from Mouser USA for comparison purpose:
· EPP-100-12; $38
o Recommended for non-gpu builds or APU builds. Max 75W natural convection, 100W force air.
· EPP-200-12; $46
o Recommended for low-power GPU builds. Max 140W natural convection, 200W forced air.
· EPP-300-12; $61
o Recommended for 6pin, 65W CPU builds. Max 200W natural convection, 300W forced air.
· EPP-400-12; $72
o Recommended for 8pin, 65W CPU builds. Max 250W natural convection, 400W forced air.
IV. Tools and Supplies
Beside from your choice of PSU, you will need some parts for a Meanwell build.
· Your choice of a PDCB. I recommend from the following makers:
· 18AWG and/or 16AWG wires, 24AWG for optional wires. Any from your local hardware store will do. Get red/black if you want to color code. Be extra careful if you are only using one color like black, as you may wire it wrong.
· You will need the correct input and output connectors. See the follow sheet:
· C14 Panel Power Entry. DIGIKEY Store **C6 for EPP 100/200 optional instead**
· Various heatshrinks
You will need the following tools: (Aside from the PA-20, most generic tool will do)
· Multimeter – to confirm outputs and troubleshoot if necessary. AMAZON
· JST crimp. I recommend the PA-20 or PA-21 by Engineer (great name right?). Very high quality tool and will be useful for future builds. (Edit, the PA-21 seems superior, for this application. The PA-20 will work just fine though with some adjustments to the terminals). AMAZON
· Heatsource – Heat gun or bic lighter for heat shrinks
There are a couple ways you can wire a 12V build. I have drawn block diagrams on how to wire them according to whether you are using a GPU or not. Remember, you can always use the high power wiring for a low power build, but not vice versa.
A. Making the C14 power entry plug. Unfortunately, I had already made it before deciding to make a guide so I don't have pictures of the process, so instead you'll have to deal with reading.
1. You will require a C14 power entry, 3x 18AWG wires of length of our choosing, the JST VHR-5N plug and 3 corresponding terminals, heat shrink, and all the listed tools.
2. You want to strip down the length to what you need for the JST crimp. Here's a video of the crimping process. If you're not familiar, you will need extra terminals, and a sacrificial wire to practice. The regular JST crimp is pretty easy to do.
3. Crimp 3 JST terminals and place them into pins 1, 3, 5 of the JST plug. This is fairly straightforward.
4. Precut heat shrink "rings" to keep the bundled 3 wires together. Precut heatshrinks and place them on the wire to be shrunk over the C14 power entry prongs.
5. WARNING, DO NOT MESS THIS PART UP: Strip the other ends of the wires, about 3/8" or 10mm, and wrap them around the prongs of the C14 power entry plug accordingly: Pin 1 is neutral, Pin 3 is Line (hot), and Pin 5 is ground. Check the diagram for orientation of the plug pins. Check, double check, and triple check. It easy to mix up black wires and if you mess up, you will burn out your PSU.
6. Shrink the heatshrinks over the wire connected to the C14 plug, shrink the ones wrapping the 3wires so it nice and neat.
B. Making the 6 pin PCIe Power Plug to 2 wires.
WARNING: The following requires basic knowledge in electrical wiring. Watch some videos and do lil' practice with wires if you have never attempted this. Be safe, don't leave the soldering iron unattended. Always use the holder. Shit gets hot!
As far as I'm aware, 18 AWG wires are capable of sustaining a 75W load that is used for the 6 pin. However, for over-engineering and safety purposes, I choose to use 16 AWG on the power. This is meant to reduce the number of wires running inside your PC. You may choose to use butt connectors instead, but I wanted a cleaner appearance so I opted for solder and heatshrink. I don't exactly have a solder station or complete supplies, but my results are fairly decent. Lengths are unspecified but you should measure out the final 16 AWG to where you need it to go.
If you are using a low power card but it still needs the 6 pin, you can use 18 AWG wire throughout. If you are using the Meanwell with 6pin power output, do not do the second combination, so you'll have a total of 4 wires.
1. First off, you need to either buy the components required to make the 6pin power plug, or just use a donor one. You'll need 16 AWG or 18 AWG. I went with 16 AWG to be safe but specwise 18 AWG can handle the amperage.
2. Follow the wiring diagram. Pin 2 and 5 are used for sensing and don't actually deliver power but they need to be wired anyway.
3. Strip Pin 1,2,4,5 about 50mm from the plug. Strip pin 3 and 6 about 100mm from the plug. You'll want 10-15mm of bare wire. Do not twist the strands if you choose to solder. Add flux to the bare wire if you choose to solder.
4. At this point you can choose to use the butt connector, or solder it. Combine them with the matching 18 AWG butt connector and crimp it. If you are soldering, align two wires on one side from the plug, and an 18AWG wire on the other side. Press them towards each other and wrap them with the solder wire. Melt the solder by heating the wire. Do heat up the wire too long as that'll start melting the insulation. See picture for example. After soldering the wire, wrap it in insulating heatshrink.
5. Following the wire diagram, repeat this for combined 1+2 and 4+5 with pin 3 and 6. This time, use 16 AWG on the other side.
6. On the final combined ends, you should crimp your JST connector or use a ring terminal.
C. Wiring for Meanwell RPS-200-12/24-C. Thanks to @toddwas there is a lovely diagram for this:
Are 18/16 AGW wires really enough? I've seen other sources (including the meanwell manual) recomending 14 AGW or even 12 for such powerlevels, especially for the C6 connector...
Are 18/16 AGW wires really enough? I've seen other sources (including the meanwell manual) recomending 14 AGW or even 12 for such powerlevels, especially for the C6 connector...
